Monday, August 18, 2008

TROPIC THUNDER

“TROPIC THUNDER” (Ben Stiller, Robert Downey, Jr., Jack Black, Matthew McConaughey, Nick Nolte & Special Guest Star Over-rated Actor Trying To Revive A Failing Career That He Should Be Grateful To Have Considering His Lack Of Any True Acting Abilities... Though He Does A Decent Job In This)

First off, the clown that stood, applauded & called out “Oscar winning performance!” at the end of this film is a complete buffoon. I liked this film, I liked it a lot, but I’m also very aware that it has been a long time since I’ve seen a funny comedy, so perhaps this won’t hold up that well when compared to top comedic flicks of past years – just that I was starving to laugh & ‘Tropic Thunder’, particularly Robert Downey, Jr. fed me enough humorous lines & scenes that I ate it all up with relish & mustard & the bun wasn’t stale... Mmmm, hot dogs! Oh, where was I? Let’s tackle the controversy first; Downey’s role as an Australian actor that undergoes surgery to have his skin darkened to play the black Sergeant in a war movie about a daring POW rescue mission couldn’t possibly be conceived as insulting – To me, he was doing a parody of Daniel Day-Lewis by going to extremes to ‘become’ the person he was playing (Or as the actor/character Kirk Lazarus puts it, “I’m just a dude playing a dude that’s disguised as another dude!”)
Plus there’s ‘actual’ black actor Brandon T. Jackson (playing rapper-turned-actor Alpa
Chino) on hand to remind Lazarus that he isn’t ‘actually’ black.
As in all Ben Stiller movies, the film could have done without Ben Stiller, but he must be given credit as the co-writer – though many scenes did have that ‘improv’ feel.
Stiller plays Tugg Speedman, a mediocre actor lucky enough to latch onto a franchise hit of ‘Scorcher’ movies that, like any Sylvester Stallone series, has gone stale. ‘Tropical Thunder’ is supposed to be his come-back hit, but things aren’t clicking on the sound stage, so director Damien (Steve Coogan) takes his 5 man platoon of actors into the actual Vietnamese jungle to film them in authentic surroundings. This suggestion comes from the author of the script, Four-Leaf Tayback (Nick Nolte) a Vietnam vet whose hands were blown off during the real-life rescue his screenplay is based on.
Matthew McConaughey plays Tugg’s agent, Rick Peck & for him, this film is a come-back of sorts in that he doesn’t totally suck in it.
As the actors/pretend soldiers make their way thru the jungle, it is Downey’s Lazarus that realizes they are lost and in danger, while Tugg insists the script is still in-play. Tugg is subsequently captured by a child drug overlord & a ransom call is made to Peck.
Jack Black plays drug addict Jeff Portnoy, famous for playing a rip-off of the Eddie Murphy fat farting family flicks, Portnoy is out to prove himself a serious actor; in doing this, Black’s character is the least enjoyable until he gets tied up for his own good by his fellow actors – Portnoy’s bargaining with Alpa Chino to untie him is the funniest scene in the film.
The ‘surprise’ guest actor has the role of movie mogul Les Grossman, a foul mouthed, anything for a buck studio head that ‘dares’ Tuggs kidnappers to kill him & face the aftermath of his wrath... Les’s stance? - the film won’t make money as it is unless the star is killed during its making. This is the role the dork was applauding at the end of the film. It is NOT an Oscar caliber role; Robert Downey, Jr., as he is in almost every movie he’s in, is the best part of this & his performance isn’t even an ‘honorable mention’ Oscar possibility. Like I said, I’m not sure how good this film is yet – other than I liked it because I’ve seen an awful lot of sophomoronic crap this year... It is the funniest of a weak batch of ‘comedies’. The HEAVilY made-up ‘guest star' actor gives one of his better performances as Grossman, but it doesn’t hide the fact that the guy is a weak, vastly over-rated actor – Deserving of an Oscar nod? PLEASE! He was just a dude playing a dude that was disguised as a bald, fat, hairy dude...

30 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well done and consistant review ! All the hype that it's so offending is lame. I'm a female and I laughed throughout the entire movie. Even when Stiller is doing his Simple Jack routine for the cartel village I laughed. Funny is just funny.
I also think this movie will hold up over the years because of the dialogue. Sharp dialogue is a lasting factor. And TT has great lines. I may even go see it again. I do disagree with you on one thing. I think Downey's performance is not only funny but terrifically acted as well. After about halfway through I honestly lost Downey " the actor " in that role at times, before I'd catch myself thinking that's Robert Downey. It's a solid effort from everyone invloved and that's rare especially in satire and comedy. When that happens, you know a great performance has been pulled off, and I think he did just that.
I think not only a good comedy but a good movie overall, even the cinematography is impressive, one thing you might not tie together in a Ben Stiller movie.
It was fun to laugh from the gut again after seeing a few stinkers.
I bet the DVD is going to be real cool. Hopefully it'll have a ton of extra's. Like I said, it felt good to have hearty laughs the entire movie. Well done indeed.

Anonymous said...

Just got back from seeing it again. I couldn't help myself, I wanted to catch some of the things I missed Thursday. Good and accurate review, though I do think Downey's performance in it is a very impressive acting job. I say at this point it is Oscar worthy compared to the other supporting roles of 2008. That may change but I was very impressed. It lived up to the buzz talk.
Very entertaining movie all the way around.
Terry mentioned if it's really as funny as he thought because there have been some lame comedies lately. I truly believe it is. I laughed about as much as I did in Thunder as I did in Wedding Crashers ( the last best comedy ) As luva said, it's the funny lines that make movies stand out and make them a quotable film. John Toll, who is a great cinematographer and won for Braveheart, did some great lensing and I'd put him up there in for a Oscar nomination. Seriously.

Some funny quotes/scenes...

Lazerus: ( about cell phones ) " They ain't had those in 68. I'm authentic from head to toe.

Peck: " Hey.. I got your Tivo !"

Peck's cell phone ring is Sometimes When We Touch. I laughed everytime I heard that.

Lazerus: " I don't break character until I do the DVD commentary."

Speedman:You people need to come with me !
Lazerus: What do you mean YOU people ?
Alpa Chino: What do YOU mean YOU people ?

Les Grossman: " You need to step back- and f*ck your own face ! "

Simple Jack:" Mama, I'll see you again in my head movies. But this head movies make my eyes rain."

Jeff Portnoy: ( To Tayback )" Did you grow hands ? "

Lazerus: "I'm a lead farmer motherf*cker ! "

Lazerus: I don't read the script, the script reads me.

Lazerus:( To Tugg about his Simple Jack portrayal)" Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man ? Autistic, not retarded. Tom Hanks in Forrest Gump ? Disabilities. Not retarded. You went full retard. You can never go full retard. Sean Penn in I am Sam ? Full retard. Cost him the Oscar. Never go full retard."

Just several and there's more. You might not see as funny of a movie until Burn After Reading comes out, but that isn't straight up comedy either, so ...
Finally after Step Brothers and Pineapple Express I got authentic and genuine laughs. Coming from the mind of Ben Stiller mind you. I'll have to get off my soap box and congradulate him now.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Reid, this is the most accurate and also the best review I have read from you. You were even honest about that certain A lister that is pretty much unrecognizable
as the souless Les Grossman was a good performane.
It was all thumbs up from all the directors I caught a screening with. David Lean and Hitchcock went on and on about how they liked the camera work for a Ben Stiller movie. They must have paid John Toll a crap load of money. Because I could just imagine the look on his face when they asked him, " hey Ben Stiller wants you to shoot his new movie."
And all that hype about Robert Downey Jr. was spot on as well. We were very impressed up here and that's rare with the talent around here. It stomps all over the Apatow garbage recently.
Good review.

Anonymous said...

Les Grossman: ( to drug cartel ) " Now I don't know what kind of Pan American shit you're trying to pull, but Asia Jack, is my property. I will rain an ungodly f*cking firestrom on you. You are going to have to go to the f*cking United Nations to get a binding resolution to keep me away from you. I'm talking scored earth motherf*cker ! I will massacre you ! I will F you up !

Lazerus: Hey man, you know how in Rambo 1, he was big, lil' puffy ?
Tugg: Yeah.
Lazerus: That kind of how you look now.
Tugg: Oh yeah ?
Lazerus: You know, not Rambo 1, but Rambo II.
Tugg: Really ?
Lazerus: Yeah man, he was cut up.
Tugg: Well... I'm not that... I mean, that's what I was goin' for, but you know...
Lazerus:You mo' shredded than a Julianne salad man...
Tug: Thanks.
Lazerus: What's your secret dude ?
Tugg: Diet. I'm dieting.
Lazerus: Really ? Cuz I'm tryin' to come up with a little... but it's just tough...
Tugg: Nah...you look good...
Lazerus: Any tips ?
Tugg: What ?
Lazerus: Any tips you got ( with hilarious look )
Tugg: Well you know, I mean there's like pineapple and...
Lazerus: Gimme that God damn script !
Tugg: Hey...
Lazerus: F*ck you !
Tugg: When we signed on for this we said we'd be a unit !
Lazerus: ( walking away ) Suck my unit !

Anonymous said...

I am pretty much with you on this one Terry. I laughed a lot in this movie. I wasn't offended or did I think the movie was mean spirited expect for Les Grossman to everyone, but that's not real.
I... like the other poster's thought the cinematography was excellent as well. But it's John Freaking Toll for Petes sake, of course the lensing is top notch.
May just be the funniest film of 2008 unless Burn After Reading is funnier. But I kind of doubt that because BAR is a dramedy and TT was straight up satire.

" My mind movies make my eyes rain " Ha !

Anonymous said...

Glad to see we all had a good laugh for a change! Movieluva took my comment about RD,Jr.'s performance not being Oscar worthy a bit too much to heart - For a comedic role, it's one of the best ever - but comedic roles don't get Oscars. For whatever reason, only serious roles garner Oscar nominations - If he gets one & breaks the mold, it would make me very happy, but I don't see it happening - Except as Kurt put it,
2008 has been a weak year. I haven't thought too much about my Top 5 performances in each category because I don't think I've seen enough great performances to fill each category, but no doubt RD,Jr. would make both my Best Actor top 5& Supporting Actor top 5, but that doesn't make either 'Oscar worthy'.
The only thing I'll have to disagree with everyone on is 'Simple Jack' - I found that to be the least funniest bit in the entire movie - except when Lazarus tells Tugg 'never go full retard - Sean Penn did it & it cost him an Oscar' & Sean Penn was brilliant in "I Am Sam" & he definitely deserved an Oscar for it - so that quote just floored me...

Anonymous said...

Terry,


Rein in your absolutes to get historically defensible propositions.

By tactically defining "comedy," I suppose you can claim that "comedic roles don't get Oscars." However, you'd have to define "Cat Ballou" as a Western or as a musical to get around Lee Marvin's Best Actor Oscar; "As Good as It Gets" as a romantic non-comedy to eliminate one of Jack Nicholson's Oscars; and "Network" as a non-comedic satire to get rid of Peter Finch's Howard Beale. Let me know who would let you get away with that tactic.

I think that "It Happened One Night" was a romantic comedy, so you'd want to except romantic comedies from your claim lest I note that BOTH leads in "It Happened One Night" were nominated and awarded: Gable and Colbert.

In addition, you would want to exclude Best Actress and the supporting categories to exclude too many nominees and winners for my lazy butt to list.

One fellow whom you must exclude is Jack Lemmon, who not only won for a wartime comedy [best supporting for "Mr. Roberts"] but was nominated for two of the greatest comedies ever: "Some Like It Hot" and "The Apartment."

Perhaps you meant that roles in comedies tend not to garner nominations and wins as readily as
other sorts of roles. That is very different from the preposterous contention that "...only serious roles garner Oscar nominations."

By the way, if only serious roles garnered nominations, how would you explain either of Vivien Leigh's Oscars?

Anonymous said...

Mr. Smithee, you know I love you like a brother, but aren't all the 'Oscar winners' you mention dead? If you want me to redefine my statement to say "Comedies of the 'laugh out loud' nature" don't get nominated for Academy Awards,
I've got no problem with that.
Robert Downey, Jr. is one of my favorite actors & I thought he was outstanding in 'Tropic Thunder' (as well as 'Iron Man') but if he gets a nomination for either film, I'll be shocked!
If you've seen the film, I'd love to hear your take on how the 'black-faced' Lazarus character affected you - Was it racist in your mind?
One more thing - Who is Vivian Leigh?

Anonymous said...

I know not who Vivian Leigh was/is. Vivian Mary Hartley, my fellow Scorpio, took the name Vivien Leigh and won Best Actress Oscars for portraying Scarlett O'Hara and Blanche DuBois. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivien_Leigh

I have no problem with "Comedies of the 'laugh out loud' nature don't get nominated for Academy Awards, ..." but that proposition is quite apart from the discussion.

I do not know why the mortality of the exceptions I noted is relevant, but that dodge gets you nowhere anyway because Jack Nicholson lives. Jack was nominated for "As Good As It Gets" and won the Oscar. IMDB lists the first genre for that film as comedy.

What is your response to that, TR? That in addition to dead actors you do not count actors less that 70 inches tall?

Nicholson's role in "Terms of Endearment" was almost entirely laugh-aloud comedic, although that film was multi-faceted, so I suppose you can evade that one.

However, it is easier for you to change your proposition in the manner that I indicated than it is to erect such empty defenses.

Moreover, we both know that I have myriad examples to produce. Marisa Tomei -- Or was "My Cousin Vinnie" a taut courtroom drama? -- is still alive, too. Helen Hunt is still alive.

If you do not arbitrarily exclude nominations, I suspect that I might mention the still-alive Robin Williams for "Good Morning Vietnam," which had a punchline or two.

However, why should I have to respond? You know you misphrased your point. Don't be like Dubya -- fix it and move on. You misphrased.

Anonymous said...

Boy Terry, Mr. Smithee makes some good points. I forgot about most of those comedic roles that were nominated or won.
You could say Robin Williams role in Good Morning Vietnam was pretty over the top goofy/funny and he got a nomination for that. Dustin Hoffman playing a woman in Tootsie was a tad over the top. Dudley Moore in a silly turn as a drunken millionaire as well in Arthur. Tom Hanks playing a 10 year old kid in Big had some very silly moments. John Lithgow recieved a supporting nod as a transexual in The World According To Garp.
So I guess there have been some funny and silly turns taken by actors that have been nominated for Oscar's.
But I see where Terry is coming from. He thought the perfromance was impressive by Downey, just that the movie is so satirically over the top that the Oscar voters may overlook it for that very reason. If I was voting I'd vote for him because after awhile I lost Robert Downey the actor in it, and I was watching this method actor being a African-American actor.
The supporting nominations half of the time are a weak category, so I can probably safely say that Downey's performance in TT at least should be considered in the top 5 of nomination candidate's.
The only thing that will cancel the TT performance out will be in another performance of his in The Soloist coming out in a couple of months.

Check out oscartracker.blogspot.com for 2008 Oscar possibilities and other movie info. Feel free to comment.

Anonymous said...

& like , George Dubya, I'm too dumb to know when to shut up!
Kurt gave one piece of my rebuttal,by saying that Oscar voters don't normally give nominations to films 'like' Tropic Thunder. Some of the nominated actors you mention, Mr. Smithee, aren't nearly as funny as R.D.Jr.
was & yet received nominations. I think my point of most of your 'comedic' Oscar-worthies being dead is significant in as it means it doesn't happen as often as it used to (Back in YOUR day)
I'd also like to point out that just because YOU thought Vivian Leigh's hack performance in 'Gone With The Wind' was hilarious - doesn't mean it was considered a 'comedic' role. If causing men to laugh at their hackneyed dialogue & presentation thereof, then "Sisterhood Of The Traveling Pants 2" is the funniest damn movie of the century. Has there been a more comical line uttered than "The pants had done as much as a pair of pants could do."?
My response to the Jack Nicholson query is simply that "As Good As It Gets" is NOT laugh out loud comedy. It is as I believe you labeled it, a'romantic' comedy. We 'chuckle' at romantic comedies (Well, the few that are decent, worth-watching films)
Nicholson, by the way, is my second favorite actor of all-time. I consider his crowning achievement to be "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" in which I laughed many more times than I did at "Good As It Gets" - Your arguement would have held more water if you had used 'Cuckoo's' rather than the 'fluff' piece you put forth as your 'deal breaker'.
Actors that are shorter than 70 inches? Where did that come from?
Peter Dinklage is an excellent actor - I hope he gets a well-deserved nomination someday. Verne Troyer on the other hand should stick to porno - Although I hear he comes up short in that gendre as well...
Marisa Tomei won an Oscar... & did what with it? Is she not one of Hollywood's biggest boo-boo's by proving she didn't deserve the win with her fabulous post-Oscar win career? & even though I like her, Helen Hunt won because she was in THAT movie, not for her acting chops; don't have the list of what other names were nominated that year, but I'd guess that it was a fairly weak list of candidates - I'm sure Kurt or DBM could pull up that info & probably prove me wrong - so don't do it guys, unless it backs me up!
So your only 'real' contender to nullify my claim that 'laugh out loud' comedic performances don't receive Oscar nominations is Robin Williams in 'GM,V' & in that film, he 'owned' the screen & was in virtually every scene (Kind of hard to believe that he was able to do that at one time, isn't it?)
Now, all I need is for the real George Dubya to write in (he's been MIA for some reason) & back me up on this - C'mon, George -
It's you & me against that cowardly director that's ashamed to use his real name!
You guys keep writing & taking shots at me - this is fun!

Anonymous said...

Terry,


"... Oscar voters don't normally give nominations to films 'like' Tropic Thunder."

Had you merely expressed matters in the manner of the quotation, I should never have quibbled with you. You stated matters much more absolutelyat first. Now you are moderating your view.

"I think my point of most of your 'comedic' Oscar-worthies being dead is significant in as it means it doesn't happen as often as it used to (Back in YOUR day)."

1965 [Marvin] was your day as well.

"I'd also like to point out that just because YOU thought Vivian Leigh's hack performance in 'Gone With The Wind' was hilarious - doesn't mean it was considered a 'comedic' role."

My drollery was that neither Scarlett nor Blache was a "serious" role. Ithink of GWTW as comedic, but I was not claiming that Leigh's Oscar-winning roles were comedies -- just not serious.

"My response to the Jack Nicholson query is simply that "As Good As It Gets" is NOT laugh out loud comedy."

You did not summon "laugh out loud" until you started to backtrack. You wrote "comedies." "As Good As It Gets" and other examples are comedies.

"Actors that are shorter than 70 inches? Where did that come from?"

Nicholson is 69.5 inches. I figured that you would have to get rid of his Oscar. Hence, I came up with the same sort of exception or qualification that you had summoned to "save" your proposition.

"Marisa Tomei won an Oscar... & did what with it? ..." Who is supposed to be fooled by that misdirection? Your response regarding Tomei is so lame that I know not what to say about it.

In general if you intend to "explain away" all of the examples contrary to your initial claim, I guess you can maintain your initial contention. All you need do is add a few phrases.

"Comedic roles don't get Oscars, EXCEPT WHEN THEY DO."

"For whatever reason, only serious roles garner Oscar nominations, ASIDE FROM A FEW DOZEN NOMINATIONS FOR NON-SERIOUS ROLES."

Good work. Did you know that all swans are white excepting those that are other colors?

Anonymous said...

Sorry Terry, I know, but Hunt's win for As Good As It Gets was over Julie Christie- Afterglow, Judi Dench- Mrs. Brown, Helena Bonham Carter- Wings Of A Dove and Kate Winslet- Titanic.

I think Hunt rightfully won that year. Only one who challenges her is Winslet and I still would have gave it to Hunt.

But I undertand what you meant about a film like Thunder not receiving nods. I do think it has a good chance at Cinematography, screenplay and supporting actor. If Downey falls flat with The Soloist, than I think the TT performance could get nominated. It's a critically acclaimed performance and Oscar voters tend to follow what the critics are saying.
Guess we'll just have to see.

Anonymous said...

Wonderfully put, Mr. Smithee - Glad you finally came around to my way of thinking (G. Dubya couldn't be prouder of the way to caved to 'our' logic)For us to come up with a line that flabbergast you with its lameness as to cause you fail to come up with a response is a feather in this un-educated movie critic's cap! I'm sure Marisa Tomei considers this to be her 2nd most shining moment in the sun... Can we go back to being buddies now?
To DBM - well known actresses were nominated with Hunt, but look at the films - Did anyone see any of those performances other than Winslet's?
I believe that if Downey falls flat in 'Soloist' - it will lessen his chances of being nominated because that's the only film in which he has a prayer of being given a nod! I said it before & I'll say it again - films 'like'
Tropic Thunder don't garner Academy award nominations; Because (as my lawyer now tells me I must include in every one of my opinions on this matter) it isn't a 'romantic' comedy or a 'musical' comedy (with horrible ear-wretching singing; Lee Marvin in 'Cat Balou'? My Gawd, how could anyone listen to that thing with the sound on?) or any film or performance that acclaimed director Alan Smithee deems to be... 'funny' or so 'hack' as to cause it to be hilarious.
Oh, & one more piece of info for my dear, close pal Alan S. -
I have seen YELLOW swans... Of course that might have been because I peed on them...

Anonymous said...

Other than "Happy Birthday to You," Kid Shaleen [Lee Marvin] does not sing in "Cat Ballou."

Lee Marvin is horrible in "PAINt Your Wagon." Is that what you meant?

However, "Cat Ballou" does feature two singers: Stubby Kaye and Nat King Cole. Maybe you meant to castigate them. That would make as much sense as your derogation of Marisa Tomei to distract all from her nomination and award in a comedy role. [I do not know what you regard as a "laugh-out-loud" comedy, so I admit you can claim "My Cousin Vinnie" was not one.]

We're still buddies. I ascribe your stubbornness to experience with sports radio:

"Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sport ..." EXCEPT FOR ALL THE HARDER STUFF ANYONE PROPOSES.

"Defense wins football games or championships .." AS DOES OFFENSE, SINCE FEW TEAMS SCORE ENOUGH ON DEFENSE ALONE TO WIN; SPECIAL TEAMS MATTER, TOO.

In the words of J. Danforth Quayle, "Democratization is inevitable, but that could change."

Comedies do not get Oscared and comedy roles do not get nominated, EXCEPT WHEN THEY DO, so Robert Downey II will not get nominated and will not win UNLESS HE DOES.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Paint Your Wagon is what I was thinking - but of course I am many years younger than the distinguished Mr. Smithee, so I was a mere toddler 'back in those days'.
Yes, I was shocked that Marisa Tomei was even nominated for the 'lightweight' comedy 'My Cousin Vinnie' - How often does a movie starring The Karate Kid & Herman Munster get ANY kind of Oscar recognition?
Does anyone disagree with the statement - Sean Penn's Spicoli was the funniest character in "Fast Times At Ridgemont High"?
Did anyone think he was going to be nominated for an Academy award? Did anyone who viewed his performance in "Mystic River" think that he WASN'T going to be nominated that year?
WHY?
Because films 'like' "Fast Times..." don't receive Oscar nominations (Except when they do, but they don't)
Leaving the obvious on the back porch for now - Yes, Robert Downey, the sequel MAY receive a nomination for Best Supporting Actor unless there are more 'serious' supporting performances coming up in the next 4 months because THOSE DRAMATIC roles will be thought of as 'better' by Academy voters because they're still mostly stuffy old farts that don't recognize the most difficult thing to accomplish in film is to make an audience laugh... Still, the world's best actors do tend to steer clear of flat out comedies... The rare exceptions - the Nicholsons, the Hanks's's & recently, The DeNiro's can pull it off (among many others, I just pulled those 3 out of my arse) But do they get nominated for their comedic roles or the dramatic ones? That's the only point I was trying to make - A Point that really shouldn't have been necessary to point out, but I just wanted to let those of you that have shown me the respect of reading my reviews to not get your hopes up because we all loved Downey's incredibly funny performance in TROPIC THUNDER - It isn't the type of film or role that normally receives the nod - Especially when you throw in the racial issue - Do you really think the Hollywood 'elite' wants to nominate a white actor playing a black character for its ultimate prize & herald the performance on its 'biggest' night knowing that protestors will make their displeasure be known?
I'm sticking to my guns on this one - Mr. Smithee's irrefutable logic aside - that wonderful actor, Robert Downey, Jr. will not be nominated for his role as Kirk Lazarus in Tropic Thunder... At least, not by the 'Academy' - He's a shoo-in for an MTV Award & definitely in the running for all of the other legitimate though lesser film awards.
& since Brother Alan brought up Sportsradio, I want it to be known that I do NOT think the hardest thing to do in sports is hit a baseball (Baseball is probably the EASIEST sport) NFL QB or NHL goaltender are the toughest as far as I'm concerned. & I believe the phrase 'defense wins championships' (I've never heard it used for winning a single 'game') was obviously conjured up during the 70's when the Pittsburgh Steelers & Miami Dolphins were winning back-to-back Superbowls thanks to the play of the defensive units (When the Steelers finally developed an offense for their 3rd & 4th trophies, they were virtually unstoppable, so don't get on my case for not making the distinction between Pittsburgh's first 2 championships with #'s 3 & 4, Mr.Smithee because I know you would cry foul if I failed to point that out)
I asked this once before A.S. but you didn't answer - Did you even see 'Tropic Thunder'?
Everybody check out Kurt B.'s
Oscartracker.blogspot.com he's
added some more features & works on his site a lot harder than I do on mine (Only because I have no idea what I'm doing!)

Anonymous said...

I have yet to see "Tropic Thunder," so my interest in most of this folderol is mostly accuracy and cogency.

I do not know whence "Defense wins championships" issued, for some habitual also-rans had great defenses [e.g., the Vikings] and some winners of Super Bowls had great offenses [e.g., the 1970s Dolphins].

I do know that the Steelers had all of their starting defense in the 1976-77 playoffs but failed of the Super Bowl because Franco Harris was out. The Raiders instead went to the Super Bowl with at best a solid defense and an offense far better than their defense.

Whatever one makes of sports cliches that are true, if at all, only when one disguises a myriad of conditional statements, I can accept your claim that Downey might have grave difficulty getting nominated/awarded for a frivolous film -- if that is what you mean by laugh-out-loud comedy.

Sean Penn, I agree, had little hope of nomination/award for "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" because FTaRH was pretty much what used to be called a drive-in movie. Indeed, it is just a shade away from a teen exploitation film. The distinction between more sophisticated and less sophisticated productions might explain Robin Williams' nomination in "Dead Poets" -- relatively sophisticated -- and John Belushi's bitterness that he was not nominated for "Animal House" -- which I liked but was far from sophisticated.

Still, in my view neither Belushi nor Penn should have been nominated. I am unaware of any nuance in either performance. Indeed, I suspect several dozen actors could have rendered Bluto Blutarsky. Hell, millions of people went to college or high school with Bluto! Same with Spicoli: I could name the guys I went to school with who shared all but the surfer chatter.

I wonder, therefore, how much the category "laugh-out-loud" comedy represents a) lowbrow versus highbrow AND/OR b) production values. I do not know. I just wonder.

I will not have an opinion on Downey in TT until I see the movie. What I have read so far has not inclined me to go to a theater near me. I may await Comcast.

Anonymous said...

I have yet to see "Tropic Thunder," so my interest in most of this folderol is mostly accuracy and cogency.

I do not know whence "Defense wins championships" issued, for some habitual also-rans had great defenses [e.g., the Vikings] and some winners of Super Bowls had great offenses [e.g., the 1970s Dolphins].

I do know that the Steelers had all of their starting defense in the 1976-77 playoffs but failed of the Super Bowl because Franco Harris was out. The Raiders instead went to the Super Bowl with at best a solid defense and an offense far better than their defense.

Whatever one makes of sports cliches that are true, if at all, only when one disguises a myriad of conditional statements, I can accept your claim that Downey might have grave difficulty getting nominated/awarded for a frivolous film -- if that is what you mean by laugh-out-loud comedy.

Sean Penn, I agree, had little hope of nomination/award for "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" because FTaRH was pretty much what used to be called a drive-in movie. Indeed, it is just a shade away from a teen exploitation film. The distinction between more sophisticated and less sophisticated productions might explain Robin Williams' nomination in "Dead Poets" -- relatively sophisticated -- and John Belushi's bitterness that he was not nominated for "Animal House" -- which I liked but was far from sophisticated.

Still, in my view neither Belushi nor Penn should have been nominated. I am unaware of any nuance in either performance. Indeed, I suspect several dozen actors could have rendered Bluto Blutarsky. Hell, millions of people went to college or high school with Bluto! Same with Spicoli: I could name the guys I went to school with who shared all but the surfer chatter.

I wonder, therefore, how much the category "laugh-out-loud" comedy represents a) lowbrow versus highbrow AND/OR b) production values. I do not know. I just wonder.

I will not have an opinion on Downey in TT until I see the movie. What I have read so far has not inclined me to go to a theater near me. I may await Comcast.

Anonymous said...

OK Terry, hold your horses now. You ruffled a feather. Baseball is the easiest sport ? Let me think... I ran track in the Jr. Olympics, played hoops for 5 years, wrestled for 3 ( jr. high )played football for 8 and played baseball for 11 ( one year at Green River CC ). I can say honestly I really feel baseball was the most difficult to be good at. Running and jumping and also being strong can come naturally for a person. Try hitting a 90+ mph curve ball or slider. Or cathcing a ball from a bat off the ground at over 100 mph. Even when you are good that is very humbling sport. I found tackling someone or catching a football to be rather easy for me. Running track and playing hoops as well. Baseball is a whole different sport. It requires more other types of abilty than the other sports. Instinct and hand eye coordination.
Now how we got into sports on a Tropic Thunder film review means running the gamut is a understatement.

Anonymous said...

I say baseball is the easiest sport because - When I was a kid,
to play football you had to be tough - sissies couldn't play football. To play basketball, you had to have stamina - action is constant, if you stopped to catch your breath, you got burned. During baseball season, I was bored to death! If I wasn't sitting on a bench picking my nose, I was standing out in a field picking my nose. You can't call a sport 'difficult' when MOST of the time you're standing around doing nothing. That's my explanation/opinion on the subject & that's all I'm going to say about it on my review site, but if anyone would like to throw their two cents in, I wouldn't mind...

Anonymous said...

if you can't laugh in this movie you have a screw loose. great funny dialgue. downey is great !

Anonymous said...

I work overnights at a job where there's only one other person with me & I've been trying to get him to see 'Tropic Thunder' since it came out so we can both laugh while relating what we saw, but his wife has no interest in seeing the movie. My wife enjoyed it even though the preview definitely made it look targeted toward the male audience & dear, sweet 'Movieluva' loved it. Any other ladies out there that can drop in a glowing review so my co-working buddy can talk his spouse into seeing 'Tropic Thunder'?
Please respond now!

Anonymous said...

my wife howled as much as i did.
you have to get the whole premise and listen carefully. she also thought tom cruise was excellent as the seedy producer.

Anonymous said...

One of my favorite movies of the year. And whoever complains about " racism " they have their heads up their butts because that is ignorant thinking. I laughed hard many times in this movie and I think Robert Downey Jr. should get an Oscar nomination, though I know it's a satirical and over the top performance, it's still extremely well acted. This movie is a movie you can see more than once and not be sick of it the writing is so funny and good. Excellent soundtrack to boot.

Anonymous said...

Hope you find the time to read the many comments generated by this review, Blue Stater - As the year has worn on, I'm starting to change my mind on Robert Downey, Jr.'s chances of being nominated for Best Supporting Actor, as there haven't been very many impressive 'dramatic' turns this year that would normally nudge out a masterful comedic one like Robert's. His dramatic Best Actor possible nomination for 'The Soloist' won't happen as that film has been moved back to 2010.

Anonymous said...

Tropic Thunder made me laugh so hard that I have to wipe my tears. As far as I can remember, this is the only time that I have laughed so hard in a movie. :D



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Anonymous said...

Thanks for dropping by & leaving a comment, Angel - Hope you check out my other reviews & do it again. Always glad to see a new name checking in. So do you think Downey, Jr. get an Oscar nod?

Note to my blue stater response - I meant 2009 for 'The Soloist' (I can't wait for '08 to be over & done so I'm rushing things, I guess)

Anonymous said...

Well, with being on almost every supporting actor nomination on the critics precursor ballots, it looks like Downey Jr. is pretty much in for an Oscar nod. It's Heath's to lose, but it's a very strong statement just for him to be nominated for such a curt, non p.c. charatcter. Glad to see his acting is being noticed.

Anonymous said...

I feel 'The Soloist' being pushed into '09 helped Downey's chances of getting a Supp. Actor nod for 'TT' - & even though it would prove me wrong, I hope he gets one because I'd like to see quirky comedy roles being recognized by the Academy...

Anonymous said...

The most commented movie on your blog site. Isn't it kind of funny to look back at what was said. Especially your stance that Downey would not recieve a Oscar nomination.

So now I will say great job Robert. It's a deserved nomination !